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This was supposed to happen, but apparently the organizers didn't do a very good job or not enough people signed up or something. It's certainly a good idea, since it draws crowds. I think the "novice" difficulty should try to reach out to people who don't know what this "game" is. I thought it was a mod for Quake for the longest time!

Yeah, it would take some minimal effort, hardware, and planning, but it could definately be done.  Local computer clubs/2600 chapters could perhaps be encouraged to put them on, as they might have a built in resource base.  I agree with Arseny that it could be a 'general public' educational device as well.

Not afaik, but there is lots of information out there, particularly at honeynet.org.  For the novices, it could be as simple as just putting old/vulnerable version of web apps and NOS's...could even do multiple virtual instances.  The more advanced levels would need more planning to make the flags both dependent on the previous flag and more difficult to obtain (i.e. firewall traversal to DMZ to internal network, to several layers of variously hardened machines, etc).

hehe....exactly!

Good ideas....in that vein, we could setup IDS's to monitor what was happening and further the educational experience for the masses.

Lazer tag, Lazer tag... I'm in

soup wrote:

I just keep thinking laser tag.

and laser tag sounds like a great idea.

We could use real lasers! Everybody build your own laser gun!

arseny wrote:

This was supposed to happen, but apparently the organizers didn't do a very good job or not enough people signed up or something. It's certainly a good idea, since it draws crowds. I think the "novice" difficulty should try to reach out to people who don't know what this "game" is. I thought it was a mod for Quake for the longest time!

Mod for quake? Nah.

CTF via HalfLife. (Does HL2 have it?)

Or perhaps Counterstrike (or, my all time favorite, Team Fortress)

soup wrote:

I just keep thinking laser tag.

and laser tag sounds like a great idea.

Or perhaps Capture the Flag With Stuff.

SgtJonson wrote:

How about a network CTF where the terminals had to be fought for and protected with people with lazers? I.E. people would have to get hackers to the proper terminals to get the virtual flag.

That sounds like HELLA fun. And they'd have to do a simple hack on the terminal to actually get the flag. So there's cracking stuff for the computer hackers and CtF stuff for people who specialize in other types of hacking. Perhaps throw some social engineering in somehow?

s25 wrote:

What about live cd's available set up to run a CTF game so you could try and defend your own box with out much risk (i dunno how you would get around people mounting your hd, Maybe disable commands like that?) or you can just reboot minus the cd and attack boxes?

I like the other ideas that had a physical real world element to it. Not everyone knows how to do box security nor is interested in it, so having one that had a physical element to it would get more people playing and into it than would play otherwise.

(It's one of the main issues I've always had with Hack or Halo at Shmoocon. However, people are very encouraging to people who haven't played before to get them playing. [I had never played Halo before the last HoH at Shmoocon. Word of that got around and I had people whom I had never met congratulating me on my first Halo frag ever after my turn on the game.] And last HoH they let you have teams working on a single computer at hack [as long as only one person was sitting at the keyboard and typing] and I know that Renderman and Grey were teaching someone who had never hacked before what to do.)

I don't see how you would incorporate real word aspects... And I personally think that lazers would get messy! I don't like the idea of people running and jumping around some machines.
What if you put a lock on the machine that you had to pick? I mean if you want a lazer wars type set up then why not just hire one of those things for it? And with regards of box security and people not knowing I certainly do not know it all but I think it would be fun to just be around and learn with other people...

Ok I see I sound rather angry there but I am not (must be lack of food ) But I am just getting the feeling of well... A camel is a horse designed by a committee. I think it is going away from what is a very good idea, Sure the RealWorld aspects are good and some of the suggestions where great but I think allot of them would be hard to implement and some of them take away from the original idea,

Also we could set it up so there are four boxes there that are being used by people you can see what they are doing on a screen, That way people could watch and stuff and the idea of staff against some of the con goers is brilliant.

I think it would attract people if not only just to watch. And as long as people were encouraging it would be a great grounding for some, Fuck have someone talk there way through getting past a service and play it on a loop at a monitor